Since I've been so quite for a long time, I'll first reintroduce myself... sort of. I believe the ideal form of community is shared income with individual decision making, more about individual decision making here:
conceivia.com/about-us/in...ision-power/

Enough introduction, now for my arguments against consensus.

Do you believe in recycling? What if everyone had to get a consensus of all the people in their cities or communities to agree to do recycling? A person who lives in a city of 1 million people would need to get 1 million people to agree to recycling, or else no one would recycle.

Do you believe in global warming? What if people had to get 100 percent agreement from everyone in order for anyone to be allowed to do anything to reduce global warming?

Are you a vegetarian? What if you had to get agreement from 100 percent of the people to be allowed to not eat meat? What if no one was allowed to make tofu or soy milk unless everyone agreed to it.

Do you eat meat? What if you had to get 100 percent agreement to be allowed to eat meat? What if no one could raise animals for food, unless 100 percent of the people agreed to it.

Shared income society has a huge problem. You can not share income without sharing everything, including the decision making process. The decision making system is much more critical in shared income society. Shared income society is much less forgiving of the flaws of the decision making system, so a much better decision making system is needed.

Jesus said "love thy neighbor as thyself", which means shared your income with them, share everything with them. Respect your neighbor's opinion as it is as valid as your own opinion. Jesus told us that is the number 2 most important thing in the Bible, the number one being to put the Earth and Mankind before yourself. Jesus told us that is all of God's laws summed up in two simple laws. If you don't want to read the Bible, you don't need to, 'cause that is everything you need to know. As long as you follow those two laws.

I believe shared income or moneyless society is the only way for mankind to survive. It solves the problem of overpopulation, because that form of society can easily handle 100 times the current population. People in the USA put out 30 times more global warming gases than people in poor countries, even though the USA has so much more technology. With Technology, we can have negative global warming influence, we can put out less than zero global warming gases easily by utilizing currently existing technology.

Of course, global warming is not the worst of our problems. We have nuclear weapons, and there is a 100 percent chance of nuclear war in the near future. I'd say 95% chance within 50 years, 80% chance within 20 years. There is a zero percent chance that WWIII will happen without becoming a nuclear war. War is money. War is almost always for profit. There are always people in power trying to start wars to get serious profit for it. Those people don't worry about the chances of nuclear war, they think they can avoid it. They are like children playing with fire, they haven't been burned yet, so they are not afraid, but when they get burned for the first time, it is too late for all of mankind.

Anyway, enough of that. The point I'm trying to make, is that we can find a solution to the shared income problem. We can make a shared income system of society that works. Jesus believed in it. Jesus also told us nuclear war was coming, saying there'd be "stars falling from heaven", and hydrogen fusion weapons falling from the sky exactly the same as stars. Stars are also hydrogen fusion reactions. There'd be no point in telling us that, if we could not do anything about it. We can do something about it, to allow mankind to not only survive but create world peace.

Don't be depressed about that. Don't feel it is futile. God loves us and wouldn't tell us we were all going to die, without telling us how we can avoid it. God gave us a plan to save ourselves, so be excited. God's plan is about to go into effect, and we are in the very beginning of the Age of Aquarius. We are on the verge of the age of world peace, and of amazing technology. The stories of what the Age of Aquarius will be like are true, as you are about to find out. It will be an age of love, peace, and tranquility. There will soon be no more wars, no poverty and almost no crime. Love and Kindness will rule.

I believe the problem is very simple. We create a shared income society with individual decision making. Allow individuals the freedom to make decisions. That means we must respect people, we must love each other. Love your neighbor as yourself. Allow you neighbor to make decisions with "your money".

The money that belongs to the community must be spent at least partly by individuals, with individual people making decisions about how to spend portions of it. Not by majority vote, not by consensus, but rather by trusting and "loving" people, and respecting them to make the right decisions without our control or interference.

Do you believe in recycling? Do you want to do something about Global Warming? Do you want to do something to reduce the use of crude oil? Do you want to do something so that the community produces more income so everyone in the community can live better and accomplish more?

If you believe in any of those things, don't just throw the money into a community pot and use consensus decision making to figure out what to do with the money. You'd be better off throwing the money in a pile and burning it, then at least the community would get the benefit of some warmth and pretty light from the money. Less CO2 will be produced from the burning of money than would be produced by the production and consumption of things purchased with the money.

Rather, we must respect one another's opinions. Allow individuals to make those decisions. Allow your neighbors to decide, allow yourself to decide without asking permission. Voluntarily asking advice is ok, but not being required to ask permission.

If everyone in the community is allowed to decide for themselves what to do with the money, some of that money will go towards reducing global warming, some by reducing use of oil, some will work on finding alternative energy sources, some will spend money on producing or buying food, some will spend money on things to entertain the community. People will find all sorts of ways of spending the money, some you will agree with, and some you will disagree with.

People will feel good about themselves. People will feel like they are part of something, and each will feel like they are doing their part for the good of the community. The people will live in harmony.

I'm currently working on creating a new machine. It'll be an amazing machine, capable of producing all sorts of things, utilizing all sorts of manufacturing processes. I'll be a CNC Mill, 3D printer or rapid prototyper, 3D scanner, Electronics design and assembler, and be capable of many other things as well.

This new machine will bring manufacturing to individuals, and even to the poor. It will drastically reduce the need to buy things, 'cause it will be able to make the things we need. It will drastically reduce the cost of short run manufacturing, to the point of being below the price that large companies can sell us things at. This means if will drastically change the world.

It will also be controllable via Internet, which will put it within the hands of the very poor. We'll also produce and give away super cheap computers, which will get this machine into the hands of those who can't even afford a computer or even the electricity to run it.

That by itself would be relatively meaningless, but combined with the emerging open source movement, and my new emerging shared income or moneyless society, and you'll see some seriously amazing changes happening in the next few years.

I expect this machine will cost me about $100,000 worth of my own labor, $10,000 or more of my own money, and will take about a year to develop it. I have to balance working to make money with working on the project, so I can produce enough of both to finish it. Once finished, we'll be able to produce these machines for about $200 each. I've already done quite a bit of work on it, so I'm pretty sure on that. This will be a machine that could be sold for $20,000 easily, but it will be an open source machine, so people will be able to make them for themselves.

I can't produce a machine that cheap without spending money on tooling. I need to spend thousands of buying stocks of super cheap surplus components. I need to spend thousands on tools, dies, and molds, to allow us to produce parts the parts needed cheap. Mass production machinery can produce parts for $0.20 or so each, but first you need to spend a thousand dollars or so for the tool. Once you have the tool though, you can produce hundreds of thousands of parts.

Tony