http://intentionalcommunity.tribe.net/thread/87e9504a-4093-4e44-8b2e-31efccda05fb?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://intentionalcommunity.tribe.net/thread/87e9504a-4093-4e44-8b2e-31efccda05fb#56f6ef60-acab-4a53-9a54-d6f350d4f5cf I dont know if it is a perverse twist. Everyone or many people move and try to have what works for them.. whether in a fancy schmancy golf orieinted gated community or a hippie group community. if things dont work then something happens and some one moves. Anger, problems are a normal part of adjustment or of peopel with different needs or backgrounds or philosophies happening. I live in an apartment.. i am upset because of an alcohol abuser who yells at me at times. I am likely going to move. The landlord doesn't know what to do and the owner/higher manager yells when havign to deal with the problem. I used ot live in another apartment in this city near another alcohol abuser.. that landlord never yelled; simply said "ther eis nothing I can do". Then the day when the guy fell drunk and passed out on the stairs... I think mental illness is defined in part by who can and how they get along in or from the mainstream.. If you arent in a stream then you may be out of it and thus, by definition or default.. be labelled or a catalyst for conflict. Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:39:02 GMT http://intentionalcommunity.tribe.net/thread/87e9504a-4093-4e44-8b2e-31efccda05fb#56f6ef60-acab-4a53-9a54-d6f350d4f5cf yogamoon 2009-06-04T01:39:02Z http://intentionalcommunity.tribe.net/thread/87e9504a-4093-4e44-8b2e-31efccda05fb#0e690cc6-d2e7-4a37-a92a-4764bbd039cc D.B., I have a lot to say on this subject but I'll just outline a few points until I know if you are still actively interested. 1. There are some serious flaws in the way the human brain has evolved, especially in the "fact checking" and "logical continuity checking" networks/modules of the brain. The result is a liberal intermixing of fact and fiction in the brain's map of reality.This affects scientists and scholars just as much as everybody else. This root problem of human nature affects our ability to solve all our other problems. It adversely affects our entire culture even though it does not rise to the level of diagnosable mental illness in the average individual. 2. My studies suggest that the only way to deliver effective "therapy" for this neuro-cognitive disability is in the context of a therapeutic group or community somewhat isolated from the mainstream culture. My hope is that over a period of several years a semi-autonomous group could evolve a humane but objective, scientific, experimentally based program of continuous incremental brain development (a la W.E. Deming quality cycles). Many groups could of course pursue many variations on this theme. 3. All the typical issues and dimensions of intentional community apply to such therapeutic communities and in fact form an integral part of the alternative (healthy, holistic) cultural/behavioral/existential matrix that nurtures and reinforces the development of competent neurological and cognitive functions needed to build up mature, consistent, objective (fact-based) cognitive maps of reality in the participating individuals. The bottom line is that if I am correct, intentional community is a necessary prerequisite to the solution of most other human problems. Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:30:28 GMT http://intentionalcommunity.tribe.net/thread/87e9504a-4093-4e44-8b2e-31efccda05fb#0e690cc6-d2e7-4a37-a92a-4764bbd039cc Bender 2009-06-03T23:30:28Z http://intentionalcommunity.tribe.net/thread/87e9504a-4093-4e44-8b2e-31efccda05fb#db44ec9c-c988-4be3-b89a-a89557f092bf That first thread got so long, I want to start this one, especially so as to focus on something tangental. I think community, especially rural communes, can be safe and supportive places for people w emight call wounded, or just plain menally ill. However, some folks with issues will use community to deny anything is wrong with them. Like an alcoholic in denail, they will use community to hide from the need to change. In mainstream society, serious issues can cause you to become homeless. Sleep disorders, bad tempers, low productivity, are grounds for dismissal. In community, with flexible work and caring people, one has more margin of error in life. (As a poor person, I can say there isn't much margin at all when one is poor, nowadays!) This explains a lot of what I have seen while visiting comunes: The eco-nazis I've seen. The community bully. The women all-too ready to scream "sexual harassment". The rumor mongers. The addicted. The occasional act of violence in community. Yea, while obvious, schizophrenic-like mental illness is rarer, just being plain old . . wacked out, is all too common. The lunatic fringe. In fact, it sometimes looks as if that has become the norm in some pretty big and established communes. Which explains the turnover. Just visiting was an experience at times, as it was difficult to deal with these folks for a few weeks. What are your thoughts? Do these type "mentally ill" folk create havens for their own kind, sometimes running off the "different", in a perverse twist on the usual way tings work? Tue, 19 May 2009 23:18:12 GMT http://intentionalcommunity.tribe.net/thread/87e9504a-4093-4e44-8b2e-31efccda05fb#db44ec9c-c988-4be3-b89a-a89557f092bf D.B. Cooper 2009-05-19T23:18:12Z