Artistic Tribal Living

topic posted Wed, January 14, 2009 - 6:52 PM by  Nexus
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Hi, I'm with a community calling itself Open Circle. We just renamed our group and got our first online Communities Directory entry (directory.ic.org/21987/Open_Circle), even though we've been around for a long time.

We're trying to integrate our commitment to the arts while with making a living from non-art activities and with growing our own food/eco-sustainability projects. Right now, those three things each happen in their own spheres, so there is a time crunch in making sure each area gets enough attention. Does anyone have ideas, or better yet, experience in how to do art, income, and sustainability at the same time?
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Nexus
Virginia
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  • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

    Thu, January 22, 2009 - 8:00 AM
    The best idea we've had thus far is to start a retreat center that would hold art and music workshops, and workshops in natural building and other sustainability topics, and maybe meditation retreats too. We'd get some money from people attending, and be able to focus on the arts and sustainability at the same time. I guess a lot of other intentional communities have started retreat centers too. So do you think this is a good idea, or is the market already saturated?
    • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

      Thu, January 22, 2009 - 9:56 AM
      This is the current iteration of the Finders? 3 full time residents? Wow. You've morphed into a small group. My next door neighbor is the daughter of one of the founders of the Finders and grew up for part of her childhood in that world. There are also some former FInders nearby; the result of a event 20 or so years ago when some of the kids became stuck here after the local law enforcement folk tried to understand the family structures of a group passing through town.
      • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

        Thu, January 22, 2009 - 7:20 PM
        We don't intent to stay small, that's why we got ourselves in the Communities Directory. Yes, there are people from the Finders in many places, which is one reason we changed our name, because those others also have a claim to the name Finders, and we don't wish to imply that we're the only remnant of that group. Another reason is that Open Circle is going in new directions and doesn't resemble what the Finders used to be.
        • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

          Fri, January 23, 2009 - 8:50 AM
          I don't think the market is saturated and I believe that the more education there is out there about sustainability, the better. Retreats are also a great way to secure an income for the community!!!
          • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

            Fri, January 23, 2009 - 7:35 PM
            Thanks for the encouragement, sapphirah. An angle on the retreat center thing that I was excited about was to run the whole thing on a gift economy. I noticed that most retreats, conferences, and workshops come with a hefty price tag attached, which means that the rich get to indulge as much as they'd like, but low income people can basically forget it. Some events have a sliding scale or work trade available, but that can still be a turn-off to the low-income person, since it can feel like they have to ask for a special favor in order to be admitted.

            So I thought, why not offer each event as a free gift to the attendees, and then at the end ask for gifts of money to help fund the next event? Attendees would be asked to give according to 1) how much they felt they got out of the event 2) how much they're able to give. That way no individual gets embarrassed by being put on the spot, and people with means who loved the event might end up giving even more than if there had been a sliding scale. This was the system used by a vipassana meditation course I went to, and I think the system was working very well for them.

            In terms of market saturation, I thought our center could fill a niche for inexpensive workshops that few if any groups are filling. Elsewhere a comparable event would cost an arm and a leg, but you can't beat free with a voluntary donation. Our beautiful but very rustic facilities (just a cabin and a tepee so far) would keep our costs down, and we wouldn't need more than a trifling upfront investment (for food and electricity) to start hosting events. I'm not sure if we'd pay an expert to come in to lead an event, or maybe we'd only hold events where amateurs help one another learn something. Do you think this approach will work?
            • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

              Sat, January 24, 2009 - 2:15 PM
              hi Nexus,

              your direction certainly sounds appealing and i would think, at least in time be well received...

              i don't know if its important if it will 'work now,' as you will likely have a learning curve to manage, before really settling on a successful program...

              i can say through experience though, when you let people arrive with no financial expectations, you often end up not being paid for your efforts...so i think the sliding scale and exchange should be worked out in advance...

              i also think that every person should be prepared to exchange some kind of energy in order to attend..
              • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

                Mon, January 26, 2009 - 8:25 PM
                Thanks for the reminder, I should have thought of that. If people see the words "free with voluntary donation" a lot of them just remember the word "free". How about "This event is provided to you on the gift economy: come prepared to give a gift. You decide how much to give based on how much you got out of the event, how much you are able to give, and how much you would like to see our center be financially able to keep putting on events like this. We always accept gifts of money, but we may accept other kinds of gifts as well. Ask us what we need."? Do you think that statement communicates well?
                • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

                  Tue, January 27, 2009 - 7:53 AM
                  That's definitely a start...

                  I have been frustrated in the past, offering events where people showed up that were much better off financially than myself, and left without paying anything...
                  So I would make small adjustments each time, until the message was delivered that an energy exchange was really needed...

                  I personally have found that people that are "put off" by having to offer money or services in return, are people that are not givers, and don't really need to be in attendance at all..
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                    Re: Artistic Tribal Living

                    Tue, January 27, 2009 - 10:49 AM
                    Yes, moon, the stingy-at-heart are not the people we want to interact with. I just wanted to set something up where arranging a work trade didn't feel like asking for charity, and where a dollar from a hobo was as appreciated as $100 from a millionaire.

                    I'm also wondering where we'll we'll get our attendees and people to lead the events (or we could stick to purely leaderless events.) There's a professional-grade retreat center nearby called Sevenoaks Pathwork Center, so maybe we should get to know them and strike up some kind of mutually beneficial relationship. Like, maybe we could take their dregs, if retreat centers have dregs. Hmm. Of course we'll invite our friends, and send announcements of events to local intentional communities. Any other ideas?
                    • Re: Artistic Tribal Living

                      Tue, January 27, 2009 - 12:58 PM
                      get a website to advertise, optimize the page so that people can find in through internet searches, create a database and store the e mail addresses so that you can let them know what's up....

                      I'd get that started LONG before you are ready to actually do something, as all that takes time to set up and get things going..

                      there are lots of options for free websites, if funds are an issue....but basicly Connect and let people know what you are offering!

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