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Employment in Green Industries?

2008-08-07T20:12:43Z

I'm looking for titles, job descriptions, websites that recruit for jobs in green industries -- not lawns and such and not necessarily energy producers. I'm not too likely to be a physical laborer either I'm mid 50's with severe carpal tunnel in both wrists.

Any suggestions?

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Micro Generation and Micro Farming: Combating High Energy Prices, High Food Prices, and Tyranny

2008-08-07T14:39:31Z

Micro Generation and Micro Farming: Combating High Energy Prices, High Food Prices, and Tyranny

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/07/beating-high-energy-and-food-prices.html

Also check out his other posts at 911blogger.com

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East Wind Visitors

2008-08-07T13:16:18Z

Yesterday evening, we had some visitors from East Wind stop by. The community is located on a thousand acres in rural southern Missouri. East Wind is, by it's own definition, an egalitarian democratic community. Folks who live there (members) have work requirements, and in turn, are provided with food, shelter and health care. It's an interesting model for community and a successful one. According to our visitors, the community is currently open to new members. http://www.eastwind.org

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privacy and community

2008-08-07T05:39:51Z

I've looked into several intentional communities over the years, and they're of great interest to me.

I have a question, and would especially love to hear feedback from those who have lived in community, and have comments about issues of privacy while living in community....

I noticed that various communities have different arrangements with regards to privacy. In some, there are separate bedrooms with doors and the usual house-type setup. In some, there are bedrooms, but no doors...perhaps curtains...perhaps just a door that's been removed, leaving an opening.... In others, there are large communal living spaces with no walls. Some have people living in individual houses, huts, yurts, domes, teepees, or whatever...just a few people to each one.

My question is this...what levels of privacy seemed to be most successful? What were the benefits and drawbacks of the levels of privacy in any community where you lived? Would you prefer to be in a situation with almost no privacy, such as a large communal living space with no walls, or would you prefer something closer to the other extreme, with 2-3 people living in small homes arranged into a community?

One community I'm very interested in has the no-walls-communal setup, and personally, it strikes me as a recipe for madness. I imagine that living like that would bring up plenty of neuroses and odd behavior...kind of the opposite psychological effect as living in solitary confinement. People go loopy with no human contact or stimulation, and it seems to me (a person who likes quiet moments alone, and actually needs them daily) that I'd similarly go loopy from an overload of human contact and stimulation.

Anyone with any thoughts on the various arrangements of privacy within intentional communities...I'd love to hear from you....

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Why do you live (or want to live) in community?

2008-08-06T19:32:06Z

Moved from another topic: I'll start. I'm a social critter and i enjoy knowing my neighbors. I like that I live in a community where we have some shared values and shared history. I like living in the woods without being socially isolated. I like that the precinct my community votes in is an anomaly compared to other rural precincts in my county. We tend to vote a lot more green.

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Basics of starting communities

2008-08-06T12:07:31Z

Most new forming communities fail. That is not from bad design or anything like that. It is the same with companies, most new companies fail as well. Mostly it is a problem with lack of funding. If the money is there, the chance of success will be high. If the money is not there, it will take some pretty committed people to make it work.

I put intentional communities into two categories. Shared income and private income.

Private income seems to be what most people think they want, but I disagree. To live in a private income community, you must have your own income, you must be self employed, unless it is a large enough community to supply you with work for income. If some has a business in such a community which needs workers, that business need not pay much because the people who live there likely have few other options for producing income. On the other hand, if that business needs more people, extra pay will not draw more people very effectively, 'cause there are few people in the area. That is, unless the community is in a city. If it is in a city, I call it a condominium.

Shared income is a whole different story. You can think of a shared income community as a business which gives a whole lot more employee perks than a regular business. Shared income provides the people with work. The people do not need to be self employed, although forming shared income communities like to attract people who have income sources to help them get started. A shared income community which is democratic or leaderless is also a "worker controlled company". A shared income community should provide you with all your needs, free health care, free food, free cloths, vacation time and money, full retirement and elderly care, free education, free everything.

How can a shared income community do that? It is a business, like any other business. It has to produce income. Producing income is where the problems are. If you've visited a shared income community, you probably have seen that the people seem to work fine. There really doesn't seem to be a problem with getting the people to work. The problem is in developing the income sources.

Working to create a moneyless society does not mean that you can forget about money. Your moneyless society must produce money to survive, so it must run businesses. It is only moneyless internally, externally it must produce income.

Creating new products to sell should be very easy. I've got dozens of very good ideas which could produce very large amounts of income, and hundreds of mediocre ideas which could also produce income. There are a whole lot of people like me, who have lots of ideas as well. Ideas are not the only thing you need though. You need people. If you get a few really good people working on even a crappy idea, it will produce income. Get those same people working on a good idea, and you'll have enough income to fund several communities.

Remember a shared income community is basically a worker controlled company with land. So technically, land is not required to form it. You can simply start a worker controlled company, and once it starts producing income, buy land.

A company is simply a group of people working together to get something done. Nothing more. It should be easy to start, but it is very difficult to get people to put their time into something. Often people think they can't do something. People who start their own businesses usually do it all themselves. If you are not shy, you can do sales. Sales does not require a salesman type or pushy personality, because nice polite people also have advantages in sales. Pushy people tend to do better in sales, but it is not required. Shy people however, tend to have a big disadvantage in the sales area, but even they can do it if they try really hard.

I talk about sales, because for me sales is always the road block. I'm a shy person, so I have extreme difficulty in that area. For me, coming up with product ideas is easy. I also know some people who can help create products to sell. They won't produce income though, unless we have people to help us sell them.

All that is really needed to start a community is a group of 10 committed people, as long as some of them are willing to do sales and the others are willing to produce products. With such a small group, the people would have to be committed enough to forget about what they were trained for, or what they like to do, and rather work on what the community needs them to do.

Tony

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Concept for IC

2008-08-06T02:57:31Z

http://people.tribe.net/951f21d2-302f-445a-8a8a-6f36480e6e46/photos/0bc85424-31b0-459f-872f-766fcde20f14

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Off The Grid Resources

2008-08-06T00:13:57Z

Have now started on 3 different books about living off the grid and primitive lifeway technologies.

1. Wilderness Living - Greg Davenport

2. Primitive Tech

3. Living off the Grid: A Simple Guide to Creating and Maintaining a Self-Reliant Supply of Energy, Water, Shelter and More - Preordered, but will be starting it as soon as it comes.

I have a ton of skill in living off the grid, having done so twice. So these books are good handbooks for reference, but here's my request for you all:

I'd like to know what titles you'd recommend for references on Intentional Community, specifically for problem resolution, building concensus and avoiding pitfalls common to intentional communities. Is there one grand tome that you'd recommend, or is there an entire collection?

The largest IC I've lived in was 4 of us and we did an egalitarian/concensus style of group decision making. It worked quite well for us because we'd all been to many of the same places and had very similar decision making styles. I'm hoping to work within a much larger group this time, so good sources will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help!

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The Rainbow Guide Fun Raiser October 3rd--6th 2008 In Southern Missouri

2008-08-04T01:15:01Z

The Rainbow Guide Fun Raiser October 3rd--6th 2008 In Southern Missouri
Ignore all rumors of cancellation or organization!
Live Lightly with the Land and People!

Howdy Folks;

The Rainbow Guide Fun Raiser will be held from October 3rd--6th 2008 in South Missouri complete with three days of live Music, camping and a community kitchen serving home grown organic food. It’s an open bandstand and all are encouraged to come out and perform at this event. Free copies of the 2008 Rainbow Guide will be available at this event. All donations to the Rainbow Guide should be made online at: http://rainbowguide.info This is an alcohol free event so please do not bring any alcohol to this event. School buses and trading circles are welcome. Dogs cannot run loose at this event due to livestock and must be secured or on a leash at all times.

Things to bring: Lots of love and a lot of positive energy.

Volunteers are needed to help with site preparation and are encouraged to come out at least a week early and leave late. Things which would be helpful for site preparation would be shovels, pruning shears, and a weed eater if anyone has one and even a chain saw would help due to flooding which took place earlier in the year and moved stuff around.

This is a totally free event in the Spirit of Rainbow. All are welcome.

Directions to the Rainbow Guide Fun Raiser:

From Thayer Missouri go east 14 miles on highway 142 until you come to Indian Country Junction Store and turn left on highway "E" and go approximately 2 miles and turn right on highway KK and go approximately another 2 miles and turn right on County road 240[a dirt road] and go approximately 1 mile and turn right through opening in the fence [spot will be marked] and follow road on into the event and someone will show you where to park and set up camp.

For more information call: 417-938-4606 or send an email to: uministr@ortrackm.missouri.org Peace and Love be with you all.

Applegate Oregon Rainbow Family Of Light:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/applegaterainbowfamily/

Upstate New York Rainbow Camp & Lacona Tribe:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/upstatenyrainbowcamplaconatribe/

Welcome Here:
http://welcomehere.org

The Rainbow Guide:
http://rainbowguide.info

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Goddess / Matriarchal project / intentional community

2008-08-03T18:37:23Z

Namaste , i'm looking for a Goddess / Divine Feminine / Matriarchy focused community , or people who would like to form one . May She bless , guide & protect

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Looking for places to visit for documentary...

2008-08-01T22:12:42Z

I'm setting off on a cross country adventure to make a documentary on the issues most of the media ignores... sustainability, alternative energy, intentional communities, social and grassroots movements... and I am searching for stories that need to be told, businesses that should be supported and information that should be shared.

I'll be passing through at least thirty states in at least two months of travel. I have a general route but open to detours as they present themselves.

Please drop me a line!
Blessings!
Jessica/Catalysta
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Intrepid mother daughter team fearlessly travel across the United States in their "trusty" Mercedes "tank" that runs on waste veggie oil! As they inhale the smell of freedom fries coming from their exhaust they search for stories that need to be told about our environment, our people, and the future of this country. www.jessicaandolivia.com

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Suburban Farming: An Idea Whose Time Has Come

2008-07-30T23:30:04Z

Whether you just want to save money, enjoy getting your hands dirty in the earth, or perhaps understand the potential necessity for us to support ourselves through the coming financial restructuring and food shortages, this is something to consider. My landlord raised his family in this house. They had a large vegetable garden way out in the far end of the back yard, near the Maple tree where I sunbathe. He had 5 growing boys to feed -and to help in the garden! My neighbors 2 houses over recently created a large vegetable garden, I think it's a great idea. But it takes many hands to make light work! I've gotten as far as a container garden on my deck, with flowers, tomatoes and culinary herbs. I'd love to have a REAL garden with all sorts of vegetables and culinary and ~medicinal~ herbs. We do have a several fruit trees, but only the pears are fruiting this year.

It may be time for us to take a second look at intentional communities as well. I was at the grocery store today, marveling at the selections (& gasping at the prices!). We've had it so easy compared to our ancestors....and I get a feeling that is about to change, in a big way...

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WEB VIDEO OF THE WEEK:
Suburban Farming: An Idea Whose Time Has Come
Meet people who have turned their lawns into suburban farming operations.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_13698.cfm

Happy green growing!

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Best and Worst

2008-07-30T01:53:54Z

I'm headed for bed soon, and as usually happens when I get tired, an interesting thought worth considering (to me, anyway) pops into my head. Some of you have actually started communities. I have two questions for those of you who have:

1. What was the most rewarding experience in starting your community? By that, I mean that one thing that you did that meant you had "crossed the threshhold" into something new and gave that feeling of satisfaction and contentment.

2. What was the most challenging aspect to starting your community?

Thanks in advance to everyone who can answer these.

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IC's in california?

2008-07-29T21:29:37Z

Does anyone know of any nice IC's in california?
I know there are many,
but i'd like to hear peoples opinions on some.

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plant a tree for a dollar

2008-07-29T18:41:08Z

plant lots of trees! www.plantabillion.org

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New Here

2008-07-29T16:48:15Z

First off...Hi :) I'm pretty new to the whole Tribe thing, and also just setting out in my search for an intentional community. Through much soul searching over the span of years, and studying, etc. I feel that being part of *some sort of intentional community is the way that my life would be most fulfilled. However, there are a few problems for me as far as that goes, and I was just wondering if anyone has any insight that might help guide me a little further down the path. I'm a health care worker, and feel called do be in that field, and most likely further my education somewhat-that's firstly who I am. I want and hope that there is somewhere out there that I could fit my passion for helping others into an IC, but it seems that most are seeking out artists/musician types. I consider myself to be those things secondly, and don't think that I could be content weaving baskets, or planting orchards, as my sole contribution to a community. I am working now on learning holistic methods to healthcare, but again, do eco villages really need medicine women? If there's anyone out there with more experience in this way of living I would greatly appreciate a nod in the right direction.
Justina

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ICs and landlords- advice appreciated

2008-07-29T16:36:38Z

Hey everyone,
I just moved into a farmhouse here with a group of people who are creating an ecovillage. The landlord lives out of state, and rent is high considering the condition of the place, so he gives us free reign to do what we will with the place. Which is pretty cool.
Here's where it gets tricky. The landlord's daughter lives there, but is travelling this summer so shes not there and wont be until sept. The people currently there now havent met her or know what its like to live with her. Past roomates have said that she is tyrranical and really impairs any community process- she is, after all, the landlord's daughter. And yet, wishes to create an ecovillage. But ultimately, legally, what she says goes.
So I'm feeling a little wierd about this whole thing because I know this girl--we were in a sustainable community development class for a year. So Ive seen how this could potentially work--when people are willing and open to resolve conflicts, s'cool. But I can also really see how her poor communication skills and power-tripping could making signing a lease there a terrible idea.
And it's got me thinking about the power dynamics in ICs. I mean, is it really consensus-decision making if 2 people have the ultimate say, and excercise taht? Is that really equality?
Can it work to have an ecovillage with a landlord and his daughter living there?

Any advice is appreciated. I just moved in here, and the layers of conflict are becoming apparent to me. Urgh.

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Saving the world / Several ICs on one piece of land

2008-07-29T09:40:32Z

Some of us believe we can save the world by creating a new society, which we can do by creating an intentional community. I'd like to find people who would like to help with that, and get those people all together on one piece of land to work on it.

These people don't all agree on the exact form of society we need, the design of the society, so to solve that problem we can have several different communities on one piece of land.

Having several communities together on one piece of land has several advantages. It allows us to share resources and reduce costs. It allows us to share income sources, jointly operate businesses. It allows us to collaborate in many ways. It allows people more choices in work. It also allows us to learn from the other communities, to see first hand what other community systems work like, and if you like ideas incorporated into another community, you can incorporate them into your own community.

If saving the world is what is most important to you, you will be settle for any location. If saving the world is most important to you, you will not place any other restrictions on this. Either saving the world is MOST important to you, or it is not. Now, can I get some people to agree to collaborate with me on this?

Tony

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Community Intranets

2008-07-28T23:07:32Z

In my community, we've been using the internet for communication (a group email system) and a little bit of file sharing. We're currently working on a private community web site to support our land co-op. I'm wondering what features you think would be useful, valuable or fun for such a system?

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New Here Too, and Question

2008-07-28T22:53:25Z

Hi all. I'm new to Tribe and just learning about intentional communities. I'll try to get this into a compact question, though I have hundreds. If you were looking for a primitive/off the grid/natural/tribal community, where would you begin - or, is there a good database anywhere for tribal style groups and communities?

Thanks for any assistance.

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I've got a farm near St. Louis MO, who wants to build an intentional community?

2008-07-27T17:18:27Z

I recently bought a 30 acre farm 1 hour southwest of St. Louis MO. The farm is beautiful with woods, pasture, springs, creek, big trees etc......Im about half finished with the first house. Im looking for eclectic, interesting people who want to be part of an intentional community. Organic farming, off grid living, art, music etc.....these are the things im looking to be part of. The land is paid for so there is no monthly mortgage. Currently the electric bill is the only cost. I could ramble on for days about this project....if your cool and want to be part of something greater than the sum of its parts, please contact me

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COB Building Workshop at Organic Freedom Farm Painted Desert AZ Labor Day Weekend

2008-07-25T00:09:19Z

Join us Aug 30-Sept 1 for a weekend of stainability learning and idea sharing at the Organic Freeledom Farm as we construct an authentic Native American Style outdoor bread oven.

Our first meeting on July 4th weekend was a great success. We made many new friends and learned how others are creating a sustainable homestead in the sometimes hostile environment of the Four Corners region.

For those of you not familiar with the Organic Freedom Farm, we are in the proccess of building a small intentional community in the awesome AZ Painted Desert. Our ultimate goal is to create an "Eden in the Desert" while building a network of communities so that we can learn from each other as we trade goods, services, and ideas.

We ask that you please provide your own provisions for a camping trip to a remote primitive area, (food, water, etc...) Please no chemical based products on the property. Also be advised, the farm is located on high desert grassland with minimul shade.

Construction of an outdoor bread oven is the scheduled project for the weekend, however if there is a good turn-out we may be able to do additional cob projects.

In the spirit of community we ask that all attendees remember that although we all have our own individual goals, the purpose of our group gatherings is to share rather than "promote personal agenda" Please we ask, no politics and no religion.

for more information about how you can join the "Trade Network "or to RSVP please email organicfreedom@earthlink.net

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Communities Conference in August?

2008-07-24T14:58:32Z

I believe that it's at Twin Oaks in early August. I'm not going; work is busy and family responsibilities are a bit intense right now. Is anybody who reads here going? I think that a day-by-day report in =intentional community= would find an appreciative audience.

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Problems in ICs

2008-07-23T22:28:40Z

I know this is a bit of a nasty topic, but I really think I should know before I plan too much further...I keep hearing about what a high failure rate intentional communities have, and I was wondering if people could say a bit about what counts as "failure" for an IC, as well as some of the common problems that lead to failure?

Thanks.

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Seems like a lack of interest in collaboration

2008-07-16T04:04:23Z

What do I not see collaborative projects, about starting businesses together, about wikis, about developing new collaboration software. Seems when people think about creating an intentional community, all they can think of are things like vegetarians only, and then they wonder why their communities don't do so well.

Community is not about being like minded. A community of like minded people is not the key to success, diversity is necessary for success. Diversity is also needed to make life interesting.

Community is about working together. Collaboration. That is what community is about. If you are interesting in creating a community, you should be thinking about how to work together, and how to collaborate. You should have strong interest in collaboration software, like wikis. You should be thinking about creating a business together first, and then buying land afterwards. Land is not necessary to have a community, land is a luxury.

So to me it seems like most of you people seriously lack the interest in collaboration. That'd be ok if you were willing to relinquish control to those who have strong interest in collaboration, and let them design a system which will get you to collaborate, but you are not willing. You want to be lazy about thinking, and then make the decisions like a know-it-all. That is what we call arrogance, people who know nothing but thinks they know it all.

If you don't want to think about something, you should make a conscious decision to let someone else do the thinking for you in that area. If you want to specialize your expertise in one area, and let someone else do the thinking in another area, that is ok, as long as you let the other person do the thinking in the other area.

What you people want is control, as in consensus decision making. You don't bother to think about it, but you want to have a say in it. You are unwilling to trust someone to make the right decision on their own, without you having a veto power over that person. You don't trust them.

Collaboration requires trust. If you can't trust people, you can't collaborate. If you require veto power over people, you don't trust, and so you can't collaborate.

One place I worked at a while back, a few days after I started working there one of the workers told me the key to getting work done there. He said to wait till the boss is not looking, then do the work that needs to be done. I thought he was joking, but he was serious, and he was right. I don't work that way, so I'm no longer working there.

Why did he say that? Because no matter what you did, the boss would tell you to change it. The boss was controlling. He had to make every decision. We call that micro managing.

Imagine an engineer in such an environment, someone who takes pride in ability to make really good decisions. Someone who's very job is making decisions. That is what engineers do. We do nothing but make decisions. An good engineer is good at making decisions, and making the right decisions makes him feel important. So what happens when the boss doesn't allow an engineer to make decisions, but rather changes every decision he makes? How does that make the engineer feel? That is how consensus decision making makes decision makers feel. Good engineers do not exist in consensus environments.

If you have trust, you allow a person to make a decision. Trust me to design the system of society. Trust Chris to design the greenhouse. Trust Jim to setup the solar collectors properly. Trust Sue to decorate the main hall beautifully. Trust Jenny to design the architecture, and lay out the buildings. We don't need consensus to make such decisions. We need trust. Trust people to talk to us about the stuff that concerns us, and get our opinions. If things don't turn out exactly as you want them, you need to learn to accept that and let it be. If you are not willing to accept that, you'll never make it in a community.

For those willing to have trust and acceptance, I'm creating communities.
http://conceivia.com

People say only good people go to heaven. That includes creating heaven on Earth. The good people, people who have trust and acceptance, are the ones that'll like the idea and go there.

The not so good people, people who are greedy (can only believe in Capitalism), or controlling or untrusting (concensus), won't go there. People think others act the same as they do, so lazy people will think no one will work in such an environment, so they won't go either. Lazy and greedy people are unwilling to help others, and my system involves helping others, so such people won't be interested. So they will keep themselves out of our heaven on Earth. Bad people keep themselves in the hell they create for themselves.

Tony

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who is ready to play?

2008-07-14T15:33:55Z

who has the finances, the interest, the energy and the desire/dedication to create a change in your life to provide a living situation that will allow you to develop your highest aspirations of being. The future lies in the next second. Your choices lie in your next thought. Your power to create lies in your belief. Your person lies in all of them.
I am ready to correspond with those that have a strong interest to live in Montana, Colorado or Utah to create a co-mmunity that will focus to have sustainable power, most of our food supply, clean environmental house building, a place that will be a pleasure to live. It is my intentions to be a part of an upscale living situation that is earth friendly and people friendly. A place to live in peace with a dedication to develop this change out of respect for the grace I have received to be able to manifest this and hopefully with others.

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Baja California Global rainbow gathering 2008 November

2008-07-12T23:51:04Z

Baja California Global rainbow gathering
public - created 07/12/08
Tribe forum for the Baja California South, Rainbow gathering taking place November 2008

Most of the organization traffic is taking place on Facebook so if you need more up to date info- contact ... more
Tribe forum for the Baja California South, Rainbow gathering taking place November 2008

Here is the tribe to stay updated.
tribes.tribe.net/globalrai...california

L

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Utah Sustainable Community

2008-07-12T15:47:13Z

Utah Valley Commons, a cohousing community to be located south of Salt Lake City and within commuting distance of Utah Valley State College and Brigham Young University, welcomes participation by individuals and families interested in: co-housing, eco-village development, permaculture, and sustainable living in general. The UVCC has no religious or political affiliation. Everyone is welcome.

At present we are early in the planning stage, and no site has been selected. The list will serve as forum for discussion, and will lead to practical expression in the form of eco-village and/or co-housing development in or near Provo, Utah. Our models are Eco-Village at Ithaca (www.ecovillage.ithaca.ny.us/), Champlain Valley Co-Housing (www.champlainvalleycohousing.org), the Wasatch Commons (www.econ.utah.edu/~ehrbar/c...ndex.htm), and Earthsong Eco-Neighborhood (www.earthsong.org.nz), suitably modified to local conditions.

"If it is man's privilege to be independent, it is equally his duty to be inter-dependent." M. K. Gandhi

groups.yahoo.com/group/uta...cohousing/
www.utahvalleycommons.com/

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All talk and no action

2008-07-12T08:31:32Z

Talking with people on forums, I notice a tendency for all talk an no action. I believe there is a simple reason for that. The talk is all text based, which doesn't allow people to build up the necessary trust. People need to have a sort of trusting friendship like relationship to communicate effectively. Without that, people will shoot down any ideas that come up, which could make the group move forward.

Let me give you an example. Suppose you think someone is an ax murderer. Any thing that person says or does will provide further evidence indicating that the person is in fact an ax murderer. You are looking for proof, and you will find it. You see this shown in movies a lot, 'cause it is funny how far people will go to seeing everything the person does is proof of them being an ax murderer or whatever. In fact, I think that is what "So I Married an Axe Murderer" is about.

I was watching a video recently that was a criminal law professor telling people to not talk to police. He said ANYTHING you say can be used against you, and NOTHING you say will be used to support your innocents. He gave some interesting examples. For example, he told a story about three people who were killed in a gang style execution at a certain place and said remember that and I'll quiz you on it later. Later he quizzed people, and most of the people who answered it would have been incriminating themselves if they were taking to police.

Police tend to form a opinion of who is guilty before they even talk to people. If you are black, they think you are guilty. Just like anyone else, people tend to think black people are criminals, even without any evidence. A person's appearance can let an innocent person be found guilty, and a guilty person can be found innocent. If you go to a prison, you'll find that most prisoners look guilty. They look the way they do, mostly from being born with those genes, and it may be that they go to prison mostly because of their looks.

After talking for a long time, to give people a chance to forget about it, he asked the quiz questions. He said, how many people were shot at that place? 1, 2, or 3? Of course some people raised their hands and said one, others raised their hands for 2 and others raised their hands for 3. Then he said, anyone who raised their hand for 3 should not ever talk to police. The reason is because I did not tell you those people where shot. Your indication that you know that they were shot, is like proof that you know more than you should know. The police and prosecuting attorneys will use that stuff as it it proves guilt, when in reality they only want to believe the person is guilty.

I've noticed that when we talk on forums, people jump to conclusions without any supporting evidence. They read text wrong, almost all the time. They very often assume the worst in people. What people perceive is mostly determined by what they believe, and not so much determined by the text itself. Sure better writing skills help, but when people don't trust you, there is little you can say to make them trust.

This is only about criminals. It is also about little stuff as well. If I have a PhD, you are more likely to trust the intelligence of what I say, even if you don't understand it. If you don't understand it, you tend to think more that you are stupid. Without a PhD, you don't trust the intelligence of what I say. If you don't understand it, you think I'm stupid. If I am your friend, you are more likely to listen to what I say, than if I am a stranger. When we talk only in text, you always think of me as a stranger.

We see lots of people pretending to have some magical aura or to be Jesus or whatever, in an attempt to get people to trust them more. People want to believe in super natural stuff, so they tend to fall for that stuff. If successful, the people will trust what the person says and even if the person says stupid stuff it doesn't matter.

When a person doesn't do that, if the person makes no attempt to appear as anything more than a regular person, the people will not trust that person, and will cut apart anything the person says. So if a person has a special title, the person gets more trust.

Tony

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IC's or Cob building in NJ???

2008-07-09T22:30:40Z

Hi everyone,

Just curious to know if there are IC's in NJ. Also, I'm considering building a cob house on my mother's property, also in NJ. Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks!
Mwt

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Eco-Permacultur Project „Nature Island Dragonmill" / Europa / Germany

2008-07-07T17:31:26Z

If you want to change the results and you cannot change the circumstances,
then you must change what is possible. This website is dedicated to
reinventing what is possible: Just stop. Build an ark.

THERE IS NO 'WE' IN RESPONSIBILITY.

~~~

Eco-Permacultur Project
„Nature Island Dragonmill"

"Our old ways are mostly memories, but our ideas march to their beat."
-Squaxin tribal elders.

And thats how it started: We Remember :
In summer 1999, at the European Rainbow Gathering in Hungary, our dream of a holy Permacultur Dragonplace started,
that became what we now call „Nature Island Dragonmill" . We were searching whole Europe ...
even to Sri Lanka ... Schweden ... searched for 3 years until finaly the dream became truth.
At October the 30th 2003 a handshake made the deal perfekt ! lol !
... to buy thy old Mill of Schweta, in todays called Saxony.

The Dragonmill, a place like from ancient times … as the Dragonmill-Island is surroundet by folldplains, alders, ditches,
smalls creeks …, fields and woods ...
a tumulus and just across the ditch in direct neighbourship there is a protected area for spring- blossoms- flowers.
Since 2007 the Nature Island of her Dragonmill is in the middle on " FFH " (Flora and Fauna Habitat) area of the European Union.
For the preservation and further cross-linking of passages (Wolf) and habitation areas for Flora and Fauna in whole Europe!
This is becomming a new big task, and a lot of local engagament is needed ...
A bit further in our bio region … the more than 700.000.000 years old Collm-vulcano, hill graves, stone circles,
and a „Dragon“-limetree aged more than 1200 years …
... the Mill its self, like it stands now was rebuild approx.. 1849 from boulders and slate ...
what was before it is a secret showing up slowly... the first proofs of humans here date back approx ... 150.000 to 200,000 years.
This was an stone axe, found just behind her Mill and is now in Dresden in a Museum,
besides this there were finds from the entire history of last thousands of years. Like 5000 Years !
A ancient historical and important place next to the Collmvulcan and the Elbe!
Schweta!

To the property of the Monument-Protected Mill still belong
a big nice old baking house, granary, barn, vault stables, beehive and a picturesque chicken house!
All the buildings are settled around a paved and from herbs covered court !
To the property belong up to now: 5 hectars divided in: Yard and buildings, grassland, fruit meadow,
forest (with a tumulus) and the system of ditches and streams for her Dragonmill.
Our 11 goats and 6 sheep help us with the extensive landscape conservation,
above all they give us fresh milk, wool, and its daily animating Meck Meck Meck, some times also meat and skins.
A smal crowd of ducks and chickens take care of the snails and process our leftovers,
on the compost pile , what brings us also fresh eggs to e.g. bake mmmmh...
Next coming 4 Waterbuffalos for thy forest work and a Milk-Cow Family !

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The goal of the "Nature Island Dragonmill" and us is it, to create a durable eco place for Workshops & Seminars
as well as a dynamic exchange of experience!
Without any capitalistic background.

And : What we Realy want is :

BioRegional Animism / Permaculture / Sustainability

>> Living in a world, were all humans take care of there environment, in order to make a live near
to nature possible for future generations,
with the aid and co-creation of all of the other than human persons that compose our bioregion.
so that our relationships with the source of our being is reciprocal and sacred in nature.
A solidary society, in which dreams,
ideas and conceptions can be realized self-organized and base- democratically. <<

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In this sense we also founded the „Association to conserve independent ecological ways of live“.

The Associaion expresses, what our main focus is:

-to experiance and understand Mother Gaia (earth) as a living beeing.
-The future of our children, in conformity with their nature.
-A way back to the naturalness and to independence.
-Natural Sustainable Development (holistic).
-To reconcile culture and the wildness again.
-To develop ourselfs in and with nature.
-Discovering new (old) life possibilities from nature and converting them in everyday life.
-Self-providing organic food, without affecting, exploiting or even poisening the ecological system.
-species- and nature- appropriate husbandry + extensive grazing of the marshes, wet and dry meadows
in der Kulturlandschaft Döllnitzaue. In the cultural landscape Döllnitzaue.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Invited are all, who want to develop thereselves towards and with their nature!

... green people, jugglers, musician, good earth beeings, greens, organic Hippis,
Natural Rainbows,
Permaculturefreaks, Ethnobotanics,
Craft fellows, elves, Pixis, world natural citizens, organic tree house builders,
Holy Gardeners, plant friends... free nice honest people, lovely people...,
... Carpenters... Bricklayers... Forestry experts...

Thus you're inspired and you want to come:
Heya and Holle, take the chance to be part of the "Nature Island Dragonmill",
we want to become a self-sufficient permacultur comunity till 2012/13.

Please bring along:

Flashlight (with Akkus!), pocketknive, slippers in the house :)

Matter of expense:

for organic food, eco-power and good sleep opportunity.
depending upon situation: about 8, - EUR a Day or e.g. on roll is free...
for more Details have a look at http://dragonmill.net/gaestezimmer.htm ...

... and a little something else if you come:

-Leave, as far as possible, your problems outside the gate, live with good mood and patience in the: Now and Here-
Please bring only organic, wildgrown or with love prepared food
(... otherwise, we have sufficiently large Organic food supplies ....)
Donations are helpful us: e.g. for working material...
Show and integrate yourself with "your qualities", helf along and learn new
"take part and become a part of the Dragonmill-crew"
your children are also welcome, our sons Pan (4) and Landon (1) are looking forward (... give a call...)

and consider:

-You are also responsible for the health everyone, so please pay attention to hygiene -
(tell in advance us please if You have a infectious illness...)
Respect grandmother earth and our mother nature!-
Please, bring no chemistry with You ... like Silicon shower gel, hair spray, Nèstle and hazardous waste... etc.. -
-please leave your dogs at home, we have many free animals !
The Dragonmill is also about very diverse wildlife, embedded in nature sanctuarys, thats not a place for dogs.
-Moreover, the Dragonmills Island, for the most part, is a cigarettes and a mobile phone-free zone
Tere are beautiful places for smoking nearby...
- mobiles ... be rather glad that there are still mobile phone-free of places...
... a wired connection is here for all who need it...
... if you have a laptop, bring it with you...

But !

Courage, motivation, inspiration, creativity and ingenuity are not enough to realize our project. We are dependent on people,
supporting us with financial means. We are pleased about every donation whether regular or unique.
Upon request we issue a donation receipt. Since we are a non-profit association, donations can set down tax.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

! Our constantly updated homepage is to get an actual overview.
www.dragonmill.net

... Directions:
between Dresden and Leipzig
... Muegeln/Schweta... Dragonmill.
... by train to Oschatz
e.g.... change to the old narrow-gauge steam-train "Wild Robert"

... please tell the driver, that you want to leave at „Schweta Gasthaus“!
... walk back along the tracks (north), on the road up to the 90° degree curve... end of the village...
... Zur Mühle... Dragonmill.

Address:
Permacultur Project
"Naturinsel Drachenmühle"
Dragonmill
Zur Mühle "To her Mill"
04769 Schweta
0049-(0)34362-4439 -- 0, (usualy just mailbox)

Good luck and a lot of blessings to your natural ways, see you soon!
Dragonmillcrew.

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Another house in my community.

2008-07-06T19:16:15Z

Awhile back, I posted a link to a virtual tour of a house that our neighbor Katie left to our community when she died. It was one of two houses that she owned and I said that I'd post a link to photos of the second house when I had the time to get them up and posted. I'm still missing a couple of photos of the kitchen interior and front porch, but most of the photos are up and available at http://www.flickr.com/photos/radiomacguys/sets/72157604926688295/

Katie asked that we sell the house to a young person at a reasonable price and terms. We have defined "young" as being under 40.

Our community is organized as a co-op and consists of about 100 households on 319 acres of woods and swamps in North Florida near Tallahassee. We've been around since the early 1970's. It's a pretty wonderful place to life.

The first house is in the midst of closing. This one is still available. It's much smaller and consists of two buildings; a wood frame one bedroom cottage and a concrete block building that originally was built as a wheelchair factory and is now being used as a community gym.

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Selfless Service and Costa Rican community formed, kinda

2008-07-02T06:54:14Z

I write not sure what to say, we built the dream infastructure for a retreat center, with all the now fruiting caco trees (chocolate) over 2000 trees planted (if you consider bamboo a tree), and a 200 foot waterfall.

and now we are wondering what to do with it all...

All i know is that i want to be in Selfless Service with a group of commited beings to Peace and Sustainability.

check out the photos on our tribe, and contact me if you want the same, Selfless Service, Peace and sustainability...

http://heavenonmotherearth.tribe.net/

we actually dont have much in the way of commitment and without that, not much really flowers on such adventures

Paz y amor

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Confirmation Reminder for July 4th Camp-Out/Pot Luck at the Freedom Farm

2008-06-26T14:40:35Z

The Four Corners Trade Network, a community of Intentional Communities
is holding its first gathering on July 4th 2008 at the Organic Freedom
Farm (www.organicfreedom.com)

All are invited and encouraged to take part in trade of goods,
services, and ideas community related.

If you have not yet sent us your confirmation as of yet, please do so
via email organicfreedom@earthlink.net and/or join the Four Corners
Trade Network at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TradeNetwork/?yguid=219225594

Blessings,
Frank and Cherri

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CC&Rs for Intentional Communities

2008-06-24T16:07:25Z

I'm looking into the pros and cons of CC&Rs for an intentional communities I'm founding and was wondering if anyone on the list has experience with them. One of the "pros" of CC&Rs is that they can help insure that standards are established for a number of things, and if they were modified to meet the interests of an ecovillage and/or intentional community then it would help to maintain the environment of an ecovillage. I'm thinking of adding into them things like: no clearcutting forests, organic gardening only, agree to have community meetings, agree to resolve conflicts through good process/mediation, etc.

On the downside I've heard that they can create more of a legal structure than some people want and the idea impresses people as restricting.

But, they're used all the time, especially in more conventional subdivisions and condominium projects (no RVs in the front yard, water your lawn, etc.)

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FOSL

2008-06-24T01:19:41Z

Hey folks, a very interesting group of people based in Santa Cruz is forming plans to create and purchase as a collective through a 501C3 entity a large permaculture sutainable farm/co-housing community in Mendocino. If interested shoot me a note.

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IC social interaction and politics

2008-06-23T19:37:23Z

Blessings to all,
I am in the very beginning stages of planning an intentional community and am hoping to receive feedback from those who are living or have lived in IC's. What are the methods which have been incorporated to discuss procedures and what has been the success and failures of those methods? In a utopian society, everyone would be evolved enough to live together harmoniously. Realistically, I know methods must be derived to give proper voice to all and disallow the abuse of power. Any comments will be appreciated. Thank you.

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Interesting urban IC in the Netherlands.

2008-06-23T19:29:52Z

A friend recently became part of a very interesting and successful IC in Utrecht in the Netherlands. The community web site is at http://www.klopvaart.nl/centraalwonen/

If nederlands/Dutch is not in your bag-o-tricks, translate.google.com does a pretty good job on the site.

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Hello Communitarians. Please take my social capital survey designed for IC Members

2008-06-19T03:01:15Z

Hello, my name is David Morris and I’m currently a graduate student working on a Master’s Degree in Community Psychology here at Metropolitan State University which is located in Saint Paul, Minnesota. I got your address from the 2007 Intentional Communities Directory (which also has a website at www.ic.org) and I’m writing in hopes of being able to enlist your help with my Master’s Thesis research project.
My research consists of measuring social capital (community involvement and connectedness) in intentional communities using the Social Capital Benchmark Survey (short form) developed by the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, which is implemented annually to thousands of people in dozens of communities across the US. This questionnaire is reputed to be the best instrument for measuring social capital available and the most widely used (which gives me a lot of comparative data). I’m also including some questions from Rosabeth Kanter’s book Commitment and Community (1971).
This 37 question survey takes less than 5 minutes to fill out (point and click) and I’d appreciate if all the members of your IC would give it a go, so please pass this email on to fellow members. There is additional information regarding consent/confidentiality at the beginning of the survey and the link is:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=xQtYMHHng6y9TZf4WfA4Fg_3d_3d

If you have questions, please contact me at morrisda@go.metrostate.edu or my faculty advisor, Dr Kelly Hazel at Kelly.Hazel@metrostate.edu If you have any questions or concerns regarding this study and would like to talk to someone other than the researcher, you are encouraged to contact the Metropolitan State University’s Human Subjects Review Board at 651-793-1920 or hsrb@lists.metrostate.edu .
I certainly hope that you can find the time to complete the survey and I thank you very much for your assistance.
Interested in Community Psychology?
http://www.scra27.org/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_psychology
http://www.metrostate.edu/cps/psych/grad/whatis.html
View a Powerpoint of the full version of the Social Capital Benchmark Survey w/ results at:
<http://www.dsacommunityfoundation.com/initiatives/docs/Duluth_Superior_Social_Capital_Report.pdf

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Sure fire IC promotion?

2008-06-18T11:39:37Z

It's been staring me in the face. It kept jumping up in front of me and I kept trying to look around
it to see the important aspects of IC. Suddenly another thread made it sink home. It is the missing
link between a complacent consumer and a beginning ICer. It is becoming popular in many
countries and I've been stupidly trying to brush it out of the way. It's the very first step on the
road to community and it's becoming screamingly popular. All right already, you say. What is it?
Simple, it's CSA!

In Community Supported Agriculture, people join a group and put up a significant sum of
currency in order to collectively grow their food locally, usually organically. Once this communal
activity is accepted and perceived to work, the person involved is ready for the next step, IC. The
ice has been broken. The number of CSA systems in the US grows by thousands more each year.
Can we harness this soaring steed and lead those people into "CSC" or, to coin a phrase,
"Community Supported Community"? Where they don't just get their food but also their housing
and living?

Now don't tell me that this great light dawning isn't just over my head, with everyone else
scratching their scalp and wondering what demon has scrambled my brains. It seems so clear.

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400 acres-Perennial spring-Old growth forest-Meadows at 1.3mil - Panama

2008-06-17T04:57:49Z

We have found a spectacular 400 acre property in Panama for an eco-lodge, hot springs, & intentional community with rivers & waterfalls & year round springtime. And, it backs up against the La Amistad National Park, one of the most biodiverse environments and Old Growth Forest in South/Central America - a tremendous asset for hiking and an ecovillage. The present owner needs to sell immediately & informs us that she wants to conclude the sale by this July 15th. The total cost of the property is 1.3million -- only $3250 per acre! See the slide show at:
http://s251.photobucket.com/pbwidget.swf?pbwurl=http://w251.photobucket.com/albums/gg311/docvogue/adfa474e.pbw
and the video at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=841879949869730133&q=paradise+haven&total=67&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

We presently have a number of committed investors & we need more $50k to $100k investors to move forward. At this late date it would be ideal if a single investor joined with us in the purchase. This individual would have qualities that encourage the ecological and permaculture and community ideals of the present group of buyers.

If you are inspired by what you see & would love to be in community on a property that is divine & will skyrocket in value, contact us at your earliest convenience at sacrednamaste@gmail.com We will call/write to you asap. There’s much more information to share. Namaste!
Our mission/vision includes, Building a community which is sustainable on all levels: (ecological, financial, & social), Creating a quiet, peaceful, mindful, spiritual environment, Maintaining an on-site medical/healing center, Ensuring freedom of lifestyle for all members in their lifestyle choices, Shaping a living landscape which is spacious/open, ecologically sensitive, & architecturally beautiful & natural, Creating opportunities to celebrate & have fun, Fostering the arts & culture (music, photography, writing, fine arts, & performing arts), Ensuring that members are encouraged to act in integrity & transparency in their continuous support of building an emotionally-healthy community

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Intentional community formation in the US

2008-06-16T18:29:34Z

I got this idea from the politics Tribe (no, really)

Apparently the fuel crisis is causing tiny towns to fold as people move closer to cities to save the cost of fuel.

So couldn't these small towns be used for intentional communities? It would be easier to retrofit a town than to build new -- smaller carbon footprint as well.

Comments?

Anyone know of a place like that?

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communities in San Diego?

2008-06-14T17:43:14Z

I am interested in finding an intentional community with space here in San Diego. I've just spent nine months in a eco village in Hawaii, doing work exchange, and loved it!
Thanks,
Nicole

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4th of July Camp-Out/Pot-Luck at the Freedom Farm

2008-06-09T17:12:45Z

This is the first gathering of the Four Corners Communities Trade
Network. Our goal is to bring together like minded Communities,
members, homesteaders, and survivalists and plan for our future
through trade of goods, services, ideas, etc...

We are in the process of building the Freedom Farm, so things are very
primitive. We would ask that you bring all accomodations required for
a camping trip, in addition to your pot-luck contribution.

We would like to do an informal pot-luck 2ish on the 4th, but if you
would like to arrive a day early and/or stay a day or two more that
would be great!

For the Pot-luck we would ask that you bring some sort of vegetarian
dish, enough to feed 10 hungry people (I will let you know if this
changes) Your own place setting, and beverage.

This project too is in its early stages, and we don't anticipate a
huge turnout, however many people have contacted us regarding the
project and we do expect the idea to grow throughout the quad state area.

The collapse of our economy as we know it is happening quite rapidly,
and we need to band together now!

Please rsvp to: organicfreedom@earthlink.net

Bright Blessings,
Cherri
www.organicfreedom.com

NOTE: If you would like to join the Trade Network follow this link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TradeNetwork

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PRAYERS NEEDED FOR THE DRAGON MILL!!!!

2008-06-09T16:16:28Z

http://tribes.tribe.net/bioregionalanimism/thread/ae1fabc0-f627-4817-b59d-d742bceb9385

Bless and Blessings,

Dragonmillcrew i.R. :
Christian Sven Schembritzki

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Rules

2008-06-07T00:47:00Z

Hi, I'm new to the IC tribe and warming up to the idea to live in an intentional community with my wife.
We faced with the usual questions: where and with who? The who question is easier to answer, since I believe that a community must be formed organically with members existing on a similar frequency and agreed set of values. The where question is more difficult since land prices are increasing and more and more hard to find non-polluted, well situated, but still affordable location.

I'm interested to explore the established rules within an IC. Every community has a set of collectively agreed and maintained rules. Some communities are striving to have the least amount of rules, while others are functioning well with more elaborated one.

Those who are living in IC's, what is your experience with this? How did you find adjusting yourselves to the collective rules? What kind of difficulties were emanating from this? What are the most important rules according to your experience, regardless of the common diet or spiritual path?

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Community in WA State, USA

2008-05-19T19:18:41Z

Hi. I am new here. I've been trying unsuccessfully for a few years to attract people to my mountain homestead. I co-own 20 acres of forest with a small re-generating clearcut, clean water, broad valley views, large organic garden, fruit trees, acres of berries. There is no electricity at this time besides very minimal solar. I've always gardened with feeding several people in mind but its still just me. I've developed an extensive trail system and a number of very private campsites.

My vision is to have maybe a couple of small families or a few individuals in a co-operative lifestyle. I like the idea of relatively autonomous units with sharing of a large garden, helping each other on projects, sharing some meals and a nature based artistic theme. At present there is a 20' camper and a small tent camper available. I've taken on interns in the past and had WWOOFer's stay and am still open to that but would love for more long-term friends to come along. Please write to my profile if you are interested and want to learn more. This is a spectacular mountain area close to Mt. Baker for summer hiking and winter snow sports.

Have a Happy Summer!

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EcoNazis?

2008-05-17T21:55:22Z

A friend and I are having an arguement.

Him:
I don't want to live in an intentional eco community.

They make dozens of rules. If you eat meat you're evil.

Everyone *has* to be equal OR ELSE!

Me:

I don't see that this has to be the case. My vision involves using sound eco practices and technology (solar ovens and the like).

If you want meat you grow it and treat it ethically.

It's your money, if you want to own something that's your business just keep it within the commitment toward a lower carbon footprint. I know some things aren't condusive to low carbon footprint but do the research and get the lowest possible for your needs.

Yes contributions for the community's welfare are important. If you form a business, it's your business and you need to follow through with any time commitments you've made to the community.

Comments?

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Mini Houses. . .

2008-05-12T16:57:07Z

Does anyone know of any co-housing project that uses mini houses, with a large common building and lots of lovely open, but active outdoor space? ( i'm getting tired of the moderator discussion )

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Can “We” Manifest joining the UK Brothers & Sisters of “Glastonbury’s Sunrise Celebration - A new dawn in festival/gathering culture”?

2008-05-11T11:41:09Z

Can “We” Manifest joining the UK Brothers & Sisters of “Glastonbury’s Sunrise Celebration - A new dawn in festival/gathering culture”?

For more info visit http://www.sunrisecelebration.com/

Howdy Folks?

We’re working on trying to put this below together for next year to join in the celebration with our brothers & sisters in the UK and looking for able brothers & sister to aid in manifesting this here in the states Sunrise Celebration {SEE Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFunT6c_Pl0 or web page http://www.sunrisecelebration.com } I have access to bands, and other folks that can help, but the more hands make for less work, and more Celebrations.

We have the land to do this on 270 Acers close to NYC in Up State New York. If after watching the video folks that would like to help manifest this so brothers & sisters can help educate the children in a new cultures etc. and the public for “ALL” to enjoy this new type of festival/gathering hit us up martywholikestoparty@yahoo.com and get added to e-mail list of those whom are now having this festival/gathering in the UK and/or join our myspace friends www.myspace.com/sovereignamerican420

Much Blessings of Life in Motion, Peace & One World Love

"Everything that I understand, I understand only because I love."
By– Leo Tolstoy [1828-1910]

Rev. Marty Who Likes To Party With Lots Of Love

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Rooms available in Eco Fun Creative Permaculture home in Mar Vista

2008-05-07T03:20:44Z

Rooms available in Eco Fun Creative Permaculture home in Mar Vista
Hi. We've got 1 private room for $900 (avail June 1)and 1 shared room for $600 (avail immediately) opening up in our collective home.

We are looking for another housemate to play , create and learn together with.
Current residents are healers, hipsters, creators, jokesters, yogis, organizers, zippies, in mid 20's to early 50's

** Large house with shared living room
** Incredible (15,000 SF) backyard with orange, lime, large avocado trees, walled garden, veggie gardens & permaculture projects underway,
** Great mar vista farmers market w/in walking distance!, almost anything you need w/in 1 mile
** Bikeable to beach via venice blvd bike lane
** Hardwood and tile floors
** will consider pets , currently 2 cats and 1 dog
** 2 shared bathrooms 5 bedroom house

** great location for salons/gatherings/workshops,
** near 10/405 intersection - convenient for access to culver city and marina del rey/ playa vista /palms

** big front yard too. some driveway parking.
** not dogmatic about food.

** included: utilities & high speed wireless internet, unlimited phone with free long distance, laundry, some house supplies

for pics check out water woman gardens on Tribe.net
http://tribes.tribe.net/b054c9ae-5845-4b90-b3c9-a1e5f2978464
Contact Andrew 310 422 1681

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Introduction

2008-05-02T20:45:33Z

Hi,

My name is Michael Lande. My family and I are interested in connecting with, and possibly visiting and joining different intentional communites. Please let me know about child friendly intentional communities that you are involved with. I would love to hear about experiences, lifestyles advice and anything else that ¥ou might think worthwhile.

Peace,
Michael

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Class and Intentional Community

2008-05-02T19:55:18Z

Check out this article; I think you'll find it interesting:

http://www.slate.com/id/2190378/

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My Thought of the Day

2008-05-02T00:43:44Z

Like a frog in a pan of water, which is heated so slowly the frog continually adapts to the change until it expires, living in the mainstream is poisoning us. But, how to hop out? When few other froggies notice anything, and think you're nuts?

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Hydroponics

2008-04-28T03:47:54Z

Does anyone have experience with this? I'd love to hear successes and failures. It seems to be a sane way to grow some food.

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Anyone know about Eden Community in No. CA ?

2008-04-28T03:33:23Z

This community seems to have been in the forming stages for over 10 years. Does anyone know more about it or the organizer who calls himself "T."? Lately, he's been asking for monetary contributions, but before any giving, I'd like to hear other folk's impressions or experiences.
Peace,
Adam

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community in the UK?

2008-04-26T06:46:44Z

Anyone on here from the UK?
I am based in Suffolk and looking for other like-minded people ...

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Solar Cooking

2008-04-24T18:45:51Z

I've been searching the web and find TONS of sites for solar cooking. Is anyone doing this extensively? Does anyone plan to start with the fuel crisis looming?

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Composting Toilets

2008-04-21T19:48:04Z

Any experience? Manufactured vs Home made?

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Your Energy...

2008-04-14T17:37:07Z

For a sister who is trying to change, heal and grow...

I got a call this morning from one sister in spirit about another who is surrounded by teachers, teachers of addiction and other self-abuses.

So I ask that each who feels called to...please light a tea light candle, so that each time you glance at it it reminds you yet again to send that particular sister, "E", love. No other attachments please to what the energy or love should do for her...just that she receive it when she needs it most of all.

Thank you and blessings to you all.
Spirit Wolf

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Intentional Community Paradise property available immediately

2008-04-11T20:37:59Z

Spectacular 400 acre property in Panama for intentional community with rivers & waterfalls & year round springtime. We want you as a community member & investor. Present owner needs to sell immediately & could sell it to a developer if we don't purchase it NOW! It's only $3250 per acre? See the slide show at:
http://s251.photobucket.com/pbwidget.swf?pbwurl=http://w251.photobucket.com/albums/gg311/docvogue/adfa474e.pbw

We presently have four $100k investors committed & we need more $50k to $100k investors to move forward.
If you are inspired by what you see & would love to be in community on a property that is divine & will skyrocket in value, contact us at your earliest convenience at sacrednamaste@gmail.com We will call/write to you asap. There’s much more information to share. Namaste!

Our mission/vision includes, Building a community which is sustainable on all levels: (ecological, financial, & social), Creating a quiet, peaceful, mindful, spiritual environment, Maintaining an on-site medical/healing center, Ensuring freedom of lifestyle for all members in their lifestyle choices, Shaping a living landscape which is spacious/open, ecologically sensitive, & architecturally beautiful & natural, Creating opportunities to celebrate & have fun, Fostering the arts & culture (music, photography, writing, fine arts, & performing arts), Ensuring that members are encouraged to act in integrity & transparency in their continuous support of building an emotionally-healthy community

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Panama paradise pictures and opportunity.

2008-04-11T02:16:30Z

We continue to move forward on the Panama property and have yet another investor who will join us pending his visiting the property the last week in April.
Also, there is a new link for the Google video showing the beautiful meadows - see below.
It looks like we have another 2 week window of opportunity to get those who are interested to see the property and/or place their investment in the safe escrow account for procuring the land once clear title can be obtained. Let us know if you would like to visit during this time.
This is a spectacular 400 acre property in Panama for intentional community with rivers & waterfalls & year round springtime. And, it backs up against the La Amistad National Park, one of the most biodiverse environments in South/Central America - a tremendous asset for hiking and an ecovillage. We want you as a community member & investor. Present owner needs to sell immediately & could sell it to a developer if we don't purchase it NOW! It's only $3250 per acre! See the slide show at:

http://s251.photobucket.com/pbwidget.swf?pbwurl=http://w251.photobucket.com/albums/gg311/docvogue/adfa474e.pbw

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=841879949869730133&q=paradise+haven&total=67&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

We presently have a number of committed & we need more $50k to $100k investors (safe in escrow) to move forward, particularly in the next 2 weeks.
If you are inspired by what you see & would love to be in community on a property that is divine & will skyrocket in value, contact us at your earliest convenience at sacrednamaste@gmail.com We will call/write to you asap. There’s much more information to share. Namaste!
Our mission/vision includes, Building a community which is sustainable on all levels: (ecological, financial, & social), Creating a quiet, peaceful, mindful, spiritual environment, Maintaining an on-site medical/healing center, Ensuring freedom of lifestyle for all members in their lifestyle choices, Shaping a living landscape which is spacious/open, ecologically sensitive, & architecturally beautiful & natural, Creating opportunities to celebrate & have fun, Fostering the arts & culture (music, photography, writing, fine arts, & performing arts), Ensuring that members are encouraged to act in integrity & transparency in their continuous support of building an emotionally-healthy community.

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SOCIAL PERMACULTURE course: May 3-17 '08

2008-04-04T02:30:39Z

Come to Earth Activist Training’s unique SOCIAL PERMACULTURE course:
Learn how to build community resilience!

In this remarkable course with a special focus on “social permaculture”, participants will learn ways to collaborate and build just and enduring alliances across social divides, as well as skills to build personal, interpersonal and community resilience to sustain ourselves through hard times.

Permaculture planning and development have always had positive impacts on ecosystem health - but hey, now we’re talking about integrating it with community resilience! This ground-breaking two-week residential intensive is also a Permaculture Design Certificate (PDC) course with plenty of hands-on opportunities. From inoculating mushrooms and digging swales to building with natural materials and sheet mulching the land, many hands on projects allow students to put permaculture principles into practice.

This Earth Activist Training course will provide examples of policies and projects that communities can adopt to protect their biodiversity and natural resources as well as shape better community management tools to build resiliency and hope in an age of consequences.

Instructors include:
• Starhawk, author of The Fifth Sacred Thing and The Earth Path
• Margo Adair and Bill Aal, coauthors of Practical Meditation for Busy People, Working Inside Out and co-directors of Tools for Change
• Charles Williams, permaculture teacher and wilderness instructor

Curriculum includes:

• Water harvesting
• Graywater
• Bioremediation
• Natural building
• Cob
• Plant guilds
• Renewable energy
• Sustainable forestry
• Plant propagation
• Soil fertility
• Compost and mulch
• Consensus
• Facilitation
• Alliance building
• Alternative economics
• Non-violent direct action
• Strategy
• Issues of power, privilege and creative collaboration
• Ritual for community building
• Energy sensing and shifting
• Applied Meditation
• Lots of singing, dancing, and fun!

When: May 3-17, 2008

Where: Warner Springs, Southern CA, USA at Manzanita Village

Who: Anyone concerned about climate change, peak oil, and living sustainably! Permaculture designers, eco-village members, intentional community members, farmers, activists, land use planners, water agency staff, policymakers, watershed group members, community leaders, resource agency folks, conservation leaders, and interested citizens.

How much:
Tuition for this EAT Course includes all standard meals, accommodations, classes, workshops, rituals, and course materials for the entire course.
Sliding scale course pricing:
$1700, if you have abundance in the form of money
$1500, if you are working and solvent
$1200, if you are scraping by
NOTE: We have limited work trade and scholarships available for this course. Please apply now.

To Register: Fill out registration form on the Earth Activist Training Web site www.EarthActivistTraining.org and email your registration form and deposit to: earthactivisttraining@gmail.com
Earth Activist Training
POB 4
Occidental CA 95465 USA

Come to this focused intensive course to learn tools and skills for communities to work together across the gaps that often divide us in order to sustain ourselves through hard times. Learn not only good options to make a difference, but ways to catch this wave of support. But register now! The deadline for accepting registration, work trade applications, and scholarship applications is just around the corner. Reserve your space now.

Earth Activist Training
Radical Sustainability and Regenerative Activism
www.EarthActivistTraining.org
800.381.7940

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know of this theory?

2008-04-03T19:46:50Z

www.worldproutassembly.org

Some aspects seem doable,localized economy , collecive work yet reditrbution of wealth & an end of capitalism is a lofty goal.

Any thoughts
Otto

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Community Video

2008-04-02T16:21:52Z

I just saw the video that Geoph Kozney did about 9 years ago. He traveled around the country and visited mostly established and successful intentional communities; interviewed members and put together a great production. Geoph had finished up the first (of two) volumes when he died way to early of some particularly nasty form of cancer. The second volume is being completed by someone at the Farm and should be out soon.

You can find a list of the communities covered in Vol. 1 and ordering information (it costs $30 and is well worth it) by going to the ic web site at http://fic.ic.org/video/communities.php

My community is covered in the section on cooperative communities and I have a very brief interview included on the tape.

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Please help- Need to find community in Costa Rica ASAP!!!

2008-04-01T13:27:39Z

Greetings! I have been contemplating and feeling a call from Costa Rica for years now. It was not until three months ago when I conceived my first baby that I felt the intense fire to respond to the calling. I am now a single young, pregnant lady who wishes to thrive in an environment that is supportive of nurturing oneself and others. I have experience and a gift for working with plants and children as well as movement and other creative endevours that are not as developed as the first mentioned. I have studied herbalism and children's yoga and recently ended a job teaching after school to K-5th grades. I was teaching 8 different classes consisting of cooking, chess, mask making, art, drama, rhythm and dance, likable recyclables and stitchin'. I am hoping to meet a community or individuals to share with or join. Ideally I will find a spot close to the ocean and ecologically minded, where parents and children live close together supporting each other. A community/ group of supportive people is no longer a simple desire, but a necessity as I am now pregnant and single. I could work in a garden, with an herbalist, as a teacher or in various other positions. I have never been to Costa Rica and am not sure where to begin searching for a new home beyond seeking community. Any information applicable to a potential community to join, a job to work, a place to live, etc. is greatly appreciated. Thank you and many blessings.
Lady Leigh Be

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